But more recently, in 2017, I started reading a book called Hunger by Roxang Gay. And when I read that book, I fell in love with the author, sight unseen, just reading her words. So much so that I reached out to her. I wanted to get her on my podcast. She said no. I tried to stay in touch. She was very squirly about it. And then through a mutual friend, she got wind that I was actually not a crazy person.
Answering The Ezra Klein Show's closing question, three books to recommend, in “Is the World Getting Uglier?” (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/02/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-debbie-millman.html). Quoted from the episode's YouTube auto-captions.
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